Steven: Kinda what we was just talking about earlier today
The algorithm bustin tonight 
Saji: Fr
Looking at situations and people for what it is, not what people project on to it
Putting ego aside for the work/best result
I feel like thats the key to Rick Rubens success
And why he could work w so many genres
Yeah
Like it seems like he was never a person to not fuc wit someone because of what they're known for
Like just because he's known for starting a hip-hop label. Doesn't mean he can't fuc with the Red Hot Chili Peppers
Exactly
He talks about that on his podcast
In a specific instance working w Johnny Cash when no one was fucking w him anymore, just to see if he could basically
Yup!
The best do that
Taking on a challenge
Stepping outta ur comfort zone
That's why I fuc with QT so much
To even think about bringing back Pam Grier
To remove all the perceptions, that other people may have about this person/thing, and just looking at them solely off what their capable of
Exactly
And i think that if you can look at yourself like that, thats when you reach that flow state where its no roadblocks really just continuation
To remove the perceptions you have on yourself.
Or what other people expect from you
The things you can do r limitless
And there's no right or wrong
Tight or 
Just knowing your intentions is just to make work
Doing something different than what you did before
Following your curiosity
I think thats what impressed me so much about Virgils practice, he found a way to monetize exploring his curiosity at the highest level
Like how can i get paid to wake up and make whatever I want
I never really thought of it like that
Like all his stuff was really about asking questions
Finding a excuse to work with a artist he fucc with
Yeah like 'can we do this' what happens if...'
Like i'm doing this art/creative direction thing but what it really looks like is getting someone to catch a fill on the outside of this louie building legally
That's deff my goal
Wake up and make anything I want
In a sustainable comfortable way
I think that's where you can create the most longevity for your Self
You should constantly want to do something fresh
It's OK to repeat and go back to things that you already done before
But never be afraid to do something because you haven't done it
Wanna shoot with bro so bad
Bruhh
Fuckk
Thatd be so hard lol
I would fly to India and everything
Like yo camera club
Lets make this happen
Fr lil treatment n all dat like lets run it
Yeahh i do actually
They got this new video talking bout his work
Was bout to watch it
I feel like all the stuff I made up to this point was inspirated by bro
When it comes to my art practice
Like these acrylic nails I did a few years back were hella inspired by those car hood
Consciously or unconsciously?
Thats crazy to hear
I love that work
Some of my favorite from u
did you u know about his work already
Or find out after
Already did
When I look back at it, it kind of makes sense cause that's all I was fucking with at the time
I feel like i used to hate on alot of white artists work or purposely only look at "black" shit for a minute
But that goes back to what we were talking about
I was limiting my view cause of pre conceived notions
Instead of taking what worked for me from anything i saw/hear/was curious about
I feel like it could be dangerous only looking at work that speak to u
Because then you start making replicas of it
Like the reason why there's a million black figure painter because all niggas look at is Henry Taylor
When you look at something that isn't directly about you and your experience, you can take bits and pieces of it and create something new with your own shit
Yeah like I think its all important but the best references are out of your zone. weather that in concept or even medium
Yeah
I feel like that was Spike Lee's downfall
A lil bit tho
Damn never thought of it like that but so true
He kept on coming from the same vantage point
Instead of tryna make the best films he was tryna make the blackest films at a certain point
by the 10th movie it gets played out
But the reason why "do the right thing" was so crazy because there was no movies like that at the time
A story that was told at that level
But idk
Now that I think about it
He has made different movie
25th hour different
Never seen that one tho
Never seen 25th
Gotta check it out
I like girl 6 and clockers alot
More for cinematography tho
And bamboozled just cause I think its such an ambitious concept
But thay all still kinda fall in the lane we were saving
that*
Exactly
This black cinema thing
Damn 25th looks interesting
Love Philip Seymour rip 
Yeah i feel that... i feel like some of the older generation too looks at 'blackness' differently too cause ofc their experiences within/oof it are way diff than ours
I feel like a lot of the the older generation has a lot of self restrictions
Due to there experience
And it tends to be a handicap at times
Like I shouldn't do this because of XYZ
And if I do that, that's kind of like shitting on all the work that other people did before me
Yeah and even like with parents and family about communication and healing
Ties back to what we keep getting to, letting all that shit back for the best result/to explore what feels right
That's another big part of Virgils success to me is being able to see both outlooks, the structure and reliability that comes with tradition and the freedom and energy that comes with letting go of all that
Even Kanye
That's why Yeezus so good
Wanted see how far he could go
Fr
Yeah thats one of my favs
For that reason
And it aged so well imo
Yeahh even like the pink polo stuff and being vulnerable
Was that for the time
That's my favorite album by the man
I like that n 808
And mbdtf but i think of that separately
But yeah I feel like the same way as far as music like I'm definitely trying to do something different in terms of the way it actually sounds but I'm trying to go for like deep clear vulnerability as vulnerable as possible which i feel like is kinda the next progression
like what if Travis Scott was talking about going to therapy and facing trauma and shit lol
not specifically by like u get my point lmao
I feel like thats kinda our wave/bag Extreme vulnerability+astute/clever observations
It is
Being vulnerable but still Having fun with it
the most timeless shit
Everything else either been done or played out
